“Repeat Rape: How do they get away with it?”, Part 1 of 2. (link to Part 2)
- College Men: Repeat Rape and Multiple Offending Among Undetected Rapists,Lisak and Miller, 2002 [PDF, 12 pages]
- Navy Men: Lisak and Miller’s results were essentially duplicated in an even larger study (2,925 men): Reports of Rape Reperpetration by Newly Enlisted Male Navy Personnel, McWhorter, 2009 [PDF, 16 pages]
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Reblogging because I mentioned this study in a post the other day and someone reblogged & replied insinuating that I’d made it up, but I didn’t have the citation on hand right then. As I said then: rape culture is what teaches rapists that they aren’t rapists.
^ bolded for emphasis
FYI, I did the math - that’s about 1 in every 6 men.
It acknowledges ‘not all men’ while proving the 1 in 6 factoid.
- Number 1
Y’know, I remember somebody debunking this post once before. I thought I’d saved it, but apparently not.
Anyone wanna help me out?
For a participant to be classified among the group of rapists and attempted rapists in this study, he would have to have responded “yes” to one of the following questions (underlined portions of the questions are underlined in the questionnaire):
Have you ever been in a situation where you tried, but for various reasons did not succeed, in having sexual intercourse with an adult by using or threatening to use physical force (twisting their arm, holding them down, etc.) if they did not cooperate?
Have you ever had sexual intercourse with someone, even though they did no want to, because they were too intoxicated (on alcohol or drugs) to resist your sexual advances (e.g., removing their clothes)?
Repeat Rape and Multiple Offending Among Undetected Rapists
“All questions, modeled stylistically on those first developed by Koss and Oros (1982), use behaviorally explicit language to describe particular acts, but never use words such as “rape,” “assault,” “abuse,” or “battery.” Table 1 provides sample questions from the sections that assess battery, child physical abuse, and child sexual abuse.”
For one thing, they are mixing up a rapist and someone who threatened to use physical force for sex. For example, if your gf says “if you don’t fuck me i’ll hold you down and suck you, but i won’t let you cum” would still pass this bar.
Without asking the ‘victim’ how they felt about the event, you just have no idea how to interpret it. If someone was raped, they have to feel they were raped! If the behaviour is accepted by both parties, IT’S NOT RAPE.
and the second one.. if my gf is taking my clothes when I’m really really drunk.. it might be because she’s just as pissed and that’s what we do. For a crime to be committed, you really need a victim.
Of the 1,882 men in the total sample, 120 (6.4%) met criteria for rape or attempted rape. A majority of these men, 80.8%, reported committing rapes of women who were incapacitated because of drugs or alcohol; 17.5% reported using threats or overt force in attempted rapes: 9.2% reported using threats or overt force to coerce sexual intercourse; and 10% reported using threats or overt force to coerce oral sex.
Of course, it never occurs to them to ask if the partners did the same stuff to them. But that’s the pattern they use for domestic violence as well:
One in six is 17%. The dodgy mixture of ‘rape’, ‘attempted rape’ ‘mutual rough sex’ and bdsm they used STILL ONLY GIVES 6.4%! So the figure Feminists give just doesn’t connect.
Later they say “The data from this study of 120 undetected rapists..” and my brain begins to boil. How did they leap from
"threatening to use physical force e.g. holding them down" to "committed the act of rape"?
It’s almost as if they knew the answer they wanted and were willing to twist the facts to meet their preconceptions.